BA in 4 Weeks
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Lawrie Miller 1997 - 2004
I have a question about taking the GRE subject exams for Excelsior
On the Excelsior website they state that they give letter grades for CLEP
and the other exams. Do you know if they give letter grades for the GRE
subject exam? Also, when you have taken the exam and it is accepted, how is
it described in your transcripts? Do they list the courses that it would
encompass, or do they list the exam?
1. Sorry, no letter grades. Only
pass grades are awarded for any score in a GRE subject exam.
2. No individual course equivalents noted either, Iím afraid. The transcript
simply details the GRE subject exam taken, the date it was taken, the
standard score achieved, and the total semester hour credit awarded.
About GRE Subject exams; I like to try Psychology. How many of [GRE
subject exams] I can take if I want to fallow your list of exams for
BS degree? I am able retain any subject via audio, perhaps I should start
with GRE Subject exams to shave some time and money? Agree?
1. At a
minimum, for a major in Psychology you would need the GRE subject exam in
Psychology, augmented by the ECE exam in RESEARCH METHODS IN PSYCHOLOGY.
2. Off the top of my head, you could utilize about two and three quarters
GRE subject exams. Depends on exactly which GRE subjects you chose. If any
of them fulfilled one of the General Ed. requirements covered in the CLEP
general exams, utilization could approach 100%, i.e. 90 credit hours.
Residual would comprise remaining General Ed. (using CLEP) plus required
Ethics credit (using ECE exam).
3. GRE subject exams are usually offered in November, December, and April
(unless you are in the military). Only one exam can be taken in any one
exam diet. Not all GRE exam subjects are offered in all exam diets.
I have an old degree from Excelsior, 1990. I got a BS in Liberal
Arts. It seems you can only receive one BS in Liberal Arts? Is this
true? I wanted to try to get a second BA in Liberal Arts/Math major So I
looked into receiving something like that from COSC, however they won't
answer my questions too clearly.
1. Excelsior will allow you to
earn one, and only one, degree in any single program. You can, of course,
earn a second degree in another (different) Excelsior program. As I recall,
this is not a rule made up by Excelsior, but a policy imposed by the New
York State regulatory authority (USNY).
The policy does not apply if you earned your first degree in Liberal Arts
from ANOTHER college or university. In that case you can earn a second
degree in the Excelsior Liberal Arts program so long as the major or
concentration is in a different discipline.
I thought Iíd touched on this in the text of BA in 4 Weeks, but perhaps
not. If you look at the credit I list in ďOUTCOMESĒ (this site), you will
see a complete but unused major/concentration in Psychology. Since Iíd
already earned a degree in Political Science, I could not apply that
hard-earned Psych credit in consideration of another degree in the
Excelsior Liberal Arts program. Bummer.
2. Yes, COSC, second degree . . .
I too looked to salvage something by going that route. I was told pretty
frankly, that since their degrees are in General Studies, there was not a
whole lot of point investing the time, money, and effort required, earning
another degree there (even though the specialization would have been in
Psychology). It was suggested I pursue a masterís instead. I think this
sound advice, now, but wondered at the time, that if that was their view,
why in their catalog, they bothered to offer a second degree at all.
Iíve failed to impart the strength of the COSC advisorís feeling, conveyed
by intonation, and best characterized as Ė Hel-lo! - As if!
Donít let that stop you, though. They offer it, though some there may not
like it. You want it, and you donít care that they donít like it.
My considered view is that the practice of restricting the number of
degrees that may be earned at bachelor level is asinine. Just one of the
many gormless rules and rites enervating higher education institutions. No
such blanket restriction exists at masterís level. None need exist at
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